tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35159315.post1552262935254620669..comments2023-09-17T04:46:39.619-05:00Comments on SECOND CITY SARGE: LIEUTENANTS TESTSECOND CITY SARGEhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00599356905057528439noreply@blogger.comBlogger52125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35159315.post-18483188985314080082007-01-14T15:30:00.000-06:002007-01-14T15:30:00.000-06:00The last year's big rumor was that 25 lts off the ...The last year's big rumor was that 25 lts off the 2001 list would be made in November 06....the last realistic rumor I head was a new last of lts off the old list by the end of the month....so...if there is a federal monitor requested by legal affiars (another good rumor due to the number of people filing complainants about bad proctors ...60+...) how long will it be before we see the results of this exam? It's got to slow down an already slow process to add federal supervision....<br /><br />any guesses?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35159315.post-9286678776889238912007-01-14T02:05:00.000-06:002007-01-14T02:05:00.000-06:00It was Resisting/Disarm a police officer...I figur...It was Resisting/Disarm a police officer...I figured that was another thing wrong but we were only told to correct one thing....Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35159315.post-36320239429178060092007-01-13T19:05:00.000-06:002007-01-13T19:05:00.000-06:00There was a TRR, but no OBR (Officer's Battery Rep...There was a TRR, but no OBR (Officer's Battery Report). The arrestee was only an active resister, so the TRR was to document the force used to subdue the offender, and to show compliance with the Use of Force Model. Change the charge to Robbery...I almost read too much into it also.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35159315.post-35258249348199149952007-01-13T15:48:00.000-06:002007-01-13T15:48:00.000-06:00Does any one remember if one of the charges on the...Does any one remember if one of the charges on the arrest report was "resisting/disarm a police officer" or did it say "resisting/obstructing a police officer"?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35159315.post-53334784397563155992007-01-13T00:15:00.000-06:002007-01-13T00:15:00.000-06:00In response to
...The agg batt was for agg batt t...In response to <br />...The agg batt was for agg batt to P/O and was a misdemeanor not needing any approval and went along with the resisiting...<br /><br />Agg batt to PO is a felony and needs approval. <br /><br />Thu Jan 11, 02:27:00 AM <br /><br />I could be wrong but didn't the arrest report question ask "what one item would you address as incorrect with the arrest report" or something like that. When I read the narrative of the arrest report, I thought that it should be a strong arm robbery. Maybe I thought that because I actually work in a district and not a unit and deal with regular beat coppers making regular arrests asking me these types of questions on a regular basis. (maybe not having clout can actually help you on these tests sometimes... maybe) I also think that the narrative stated that the offender "flailed" his arms, which is very common wording used in district law enforcement for a resister and not an assailant. I dont recall the narrative anywhere stating that the offender struck the PO's... matter of fact the TRR did not even go into the assailant category. So ... you cannot justify AGG.Batt charge aggainst officers... not even battery ... just resisting arrest ... Change Agg. battery to Roberry-Strong Arm .... at least I hope that was the answer ... good luck to all.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35159315.post-16432898658839197442007-01-12T19:05:00.000-06:002007-01-12T19:05:00.000-06:00TO: 10;06 am 11 JAN:
You don't ave to eliminate th...TO: 10;06 am 11 JAN:<br />You don't ave to eliminate the charge of retail theft. You do have to eliminate the Agg Batt. The retail theft happened first, that is why he was detained. He then committedthe robbery when he struck the agent of the store and took the property.<br />Once again, it could be an agg batt because of the merchant clause, but a robbery is a class 2 and you as the W/C have to seek the highest charge.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35159315.post-54371966818593865132007-01-12T19:00:00.000-06:002007-01-12T19:00:00.000-06:00City disorderly conduct....Thanks for the answer.
...City disorderly conduct....Thanks for the answer.<br />I actually heard of someone else saying he should be charged with PCS. Could that be the Magic answer?<br />I looked it up though and possession of more than 2 products containing efedrine in 24 hours is a class B Misdemeanor 720ILCS648/20. Now, if it was broken down and was a precursor and they listed the weight it could be a Class 2 Felony under 720ILCS646/20 that section actually says procures in any was even using the word "Steals" in the chapter. We will all know soon enough...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35159315.post-75917224221829898402007-01-12T17:34:00.000-06:002007-01-12T17:34:00.000-06:00Just heard two sgt's from HQ, one from the supt of...Just heard two sgt's from HQ, one from the supt office and one from Radtke's old office are back in the FIELD. Watch for them to magically appear on the next Lt list. Hocus Pocus and don't forget study HARDAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35159315.post-41111462780851324552007-01-11T22:55:00.000-06:002007-01-11T22:55:00.000-06:00To the user that asked for the answer to the gay p...To the user that asked for the answer to the gay protestor.....it is the last category under the City Disorderly Conduct...no protests at a church or funeral service: 30 min. before service , during service or 30 min. after service and must be at least 150 feet away.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35159315.post-28894098189219057832007-01-11T15:44:00.000-06:002007-01-11T15:44:00.000-06:00I am not shitting you!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Test is alread...I am not shitting you!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Test is already going to a Federal Monitor (per source in legal affairs). There were tech problems in the oral portion. About 40 people made complaints because the scenario would only allow them several seconds to answer on certain questions. We ain't gonna see the results for a long time, if ever.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35159315.post-63937535152858876262007-01-11T10:06:00.000-06:002007-01-11T10:06:00.000-06:00If the Agg Battery is changed to "ROBBERY", then y...If the Agg Battery is changed to "ROBBERY", then you'll have to eliminate the agg batt & retail theft charges(2 items)..According to the instructions for the question " what is the ONE item that needs to changed on the arrest report" So again, the most logical answer ( charge ) would be from agg batt to simple batt( ONE ITEM)in addition to the already listed charge of retail theft.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35159315.post-18235768991661341242007-01-11T02:47:00.000-06:002007-01-11T02:47:00.000-06:00Matt Cline told me at Dugans tonight..... the pric...Matt Cline told me at Dugans tonight..... the prick was stealing the cold medicine to use it to make meth! The actual charge would be "conspiracy to manufacture and distribute a controlled substance". I cant believe we all missed that! Matt Cline sure is bright!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35159315.post-56395642880560430952007-01-11T02:27:00.000-06:002007-01-11T02:27:00.000-06:00...The agg batt was for agg batt to P/O and was a ......The agg batt was for agg batt to P/O and was a misdemeanor not needing any approval and went along with the resisiting...<br /><br />Agg batt to PO is a felony and needs approval.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35159315.post-38620816109227383832007-01-11T01:04:00.000-06:002007-01-11T01:04:00.000-06:00I believe that the test was intentionally geared t...I believe that the test was intentionally geared towards letting anyone with an answer be correct as long as you follow directions. Then the promotion process is by seniority and the suits that follow every test have nothing to hang their hat on... Think about it. The past 5 or so tests (all ranks)have been simple (for the first part) where everyone should have passed and all did in some cases. If they give the question about the arrest report and most reasonable answers are correct as long as you state why you picked that answer, then there are a lot more high scoring tests for all races and genders. If 100 people get all points for every answer, then a lawsuit is kind of dead in the water. The City still gets their meritorious selections, and the top 100 who answered correctly (One of several answers as long as you explain why--Ex. Pick three things to discuss at roll call. All 8 things are right, as long as you explain why you picked them...)get promoted off the list. The city can say, there was no bias. Everyone scored the same, but we need to promote by seniority because that is the tie breaker. Notice how our seniority is by time in grade on everything else, but time on the job for promotion to Lt.? There might be a reason for that. <br />The test sucked, but only because it didn't require you to know anything department related. For those of us who studied, it threw us off because the answers seemed so obvious. I for one, started second guessing myself about theright answer because it just seemed too logical. Don't know how I did, hopefully I did well enough to get promoted before the list is down, but if not....that's life in th big City. I think this is the future of all tests. There will be the chosen few who know what's on the test, and the tests will keep getting dumbed down to where everyone can get promoted by seniority if you score well enough. It's still a scam and it degrades the department further by not requiring competancy within the upper echelon of the department, but that's what they want. "YES" men and women and no litigation.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35159315.post-53727249453313550052007-01-10T21:44:00.000-06:002007-01-10T21:44:00.000-06:00Any fool could see that the main thing wrong with ...Any fool could see that the main thing wrong with the arrest report was the location code. While the crime obviously occurred in a store, the location code was for a residence, thus making the retail theft charge invalid!<br /><br />Signed,<br /><br />Your new meritorious Lt. <br /><br />P.S. thanks Fil, I won't embarass you (that much).Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35159315.post-6526043235433912602007-01-10T17:54:00.000-06:002007-01-10T17:54:00.000-06:00To:Wed Jan 10, 10:49:00 AM
From: Lt. Steve Perry...To:Wed Jan 10, 10:49:00 AM <br /><br />From: Lt. Steve Perry<br /><br />Don't stop believin'.<br /><br />THE ONE THING IS....AGG. BATT to ROBBERY!<br /><br />If it isn't changed to robbery, then the agg batt stands, via that obscure shopkeeper law. If it is changed, the battery is an element of the higher class felony; robbery.<br />For the last time, You MISSED IT. Move on.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35159315.post-46257673518361951612007-01-10T10:49:00.000-06:002007-01-10T10:49:00.000-06:00As for the charge on the store manager, if you rec...As for the charge on the store manager, if you recall, The question asked to identify "one" specific item that needs to be changed.... Therefore, with that in mind only one of the charges can be changed. At it's face value the most logical answer would be from agg batt to simple batt (in addition to retail theft)... Remember the instructions before the test, "If you answer more than what is being asked then you'll get a zero for the question regardless of how many right answers you have".Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35159315.post-67584182040529032272007-01-10T07:56:00.000-06:002007-01-10T07:56:00.000-06:00For God's sake, it was a robbery! If you missed it...For God's sake, it was a robbery! If you missed it, you missed it! A W/C shouldn't. Better luck next time. This doesn't resemble "Notify the Watch Commander" in any shape or form!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35159315.post-54356033809513488032007-01-10T02:00:00.000-06:002007-01-10T02:00:00.000-06:00Almost forgot... The offender should also be charg...Almost forgot... The offender should also be charged for retail theft for the original incident, I dont think you can charge him for agg batt to the manager as that is part of the robbery charge.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35159315.post-33434631938017699632007-01-10T01:50:00.000-06:002007-01-10T01:50:00.000-06:00The property DOES NOT BELONG TO THE MANAGER.He's a...The property DOES NOT BELONG TO THE MANAGER.He's an agent of the store. Therefore RETAIL THEFT. Battery on him . For example, Money taken from a Stores till, The cashier is not a victim the store is the victim. Not her Money. <br /><br />Mon Jan 08, 10:47:00 PM <br />********************************<br /><br />The owner of the property has nothing to do with it. If property is taken from someone (regardless if he owns it or not)with the use of force it is robbery. To use your example, money snatched from an open till..... theft, offender punches the clerk and takes the money....robbery. Either way it isnt the clerks money and the circumstances dictate the charge, not ownership.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35159315.post-48066116172530703142007-01-10T00:55:00.000-06:002007-01-10T00:55:00.000-06:00Another thing, The felony charge can be put on the...Another thing, The felony charge can be put on the arrest report without a felony approval before putting a guy in the lockup. That is one of the things pushed to get the guy in the back and get the CB#. Then you can concentrate on the paperwork and getting the dics and ASA to finish the investigation. If it is not approved, it can be corrected by the W/C prior to Final Approval. The narrative reflected a strong arm robbery. The agg batt was for agg batt to P/O and was a misdemeanor not needing any approval and went along with the resisiting. The narrative failed to describe the agg batt to the P/O though but explains why the TRR was done.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35159315.post-74449092367016117842007-01-10T00:45:00.000-06:002007-01-10T00:45:00.000-06:00The Agg Batt charge had nothing to do with the the...The Agg Batt charge had nothing to do with the theft. The agg batt charge was for the P.O. and that was why there was a TRR. It specifically was a misdemeanor Agg Batt to P.O.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35159315.post-22109004955196237252007-01-09T21:34:00.000-06:002007-01-09T21:34:00.000-06:00My aument for the Robbery over the agg batt is the...My aument for the Robbery over the agg batt is the same: Based on the highest charge (what they have listed as one of the W/C's jobs) Robbery would take it with a class 2.<br />The three thigns and five other things for the bar incident:<br />1. ensure report is completed<br />2. Notify W/C<br />3. Sign report in supervisor signature box <br />That's per the order. 4 things, one is go to the scene.<br />As for the 5 other things, I just guessed: Is someone being arrested?<br />Is the bar supposed to be open after 2AM?<br />ARe are licenses current and valid?<br />Who called the police? Was an agent of the bar involved and cooperative?<br />Are any citations being written?<br /><br />About the gay protester at the church....<br />I know it is illegal to protest during a funeral/memorial service and within 1/2 hour on both ends, but is it illegal to protest during a church service. I thought it was but can't find it anywhere...Anyone with the citation of where it is if it is actually illegal?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35159315.post-66336466436297083682007-01-09T13:55:00.000-06:002007-01-09T13:55:00.000-06:00You know for Sgt's, you guys are really a bunch o...You know for Sgt's, you guys are really a bunch of whining cry babies. Per the FOP, they are at 363 on the current Sgt's list, whether they make one or not.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35159315.post-75789658207693700512007-01-09T07:34:00.000-06:002007-01-09T07:34:00.000-06:00Using your thinking, if someone robs a bank, you c...Using your thinking, if someone robs a bank, you can't charge them with robbery because it wasn't the teller's money????<br /><br />I know someone with a shinebox for sale!!!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com