Fifty-four shootings in two weekends. Shot-up bodies recovered in groups of three and five. Is this Ramadi? Basra? No.
Welcome to Chicago.
Read what Mr. Owens thinks about our Mayor and Chicago style gun control.
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Monday, May 05, 2008
AN OUTSIDERS VIEW OF THE M4
Read this article from Bob Owens of Confederate Yankee as it appeared in Pajamas Media.
Read what Mr. Owens thinks about our Mayor and Chicago style gun control.
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Read what Mr. Owens thinks about our Mayor and Chicago style gun control.
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Very interesting article indeed. The problem is that both sides fail to see all the facts. Chicago police officers should have been armed with patrol rifles for years and years, but the bureaucrats always blocked it. Rifles and shotguns are too intimidating to the public. We should have been armed with these rifles not because of the high rates of violent crime, but because the police and not the bad guys should be the best equiped people on the street. Police need to be well armed to protect the citzens and themselves from harm. Granted it is intimidating to see a person walking down the street with a rifle across his chest, but it should bring more of a sense of security to the law abiding citizen, than one of fear. Rising crime rates should not dictate what equipment a cop carries. A cop should have the best equipment available for use at all times. A carpenter wouldn't go to work without a hammer and a level and a square, a mason would not go to work without a trowel and a plumbline. Doctors, lawyers,firemen,bakers, candlestick makers; they go to work, they have the proper tools and equipment at their disposal. Cops in the city of Chicago are decades behind in training, weapons, vehicles, computer systems and even facilities. A patrol rifle is an essential piece of everyday police work. Plain and simple.
Aurora has had 9mm rifles for years, replaced the shot guns
If armed with these weapons, how many cops would lose them? Or would be left unlocked in a squadcar? Do you really trust the average cop with this kind of firepower? With the way this dept. trains in firearms, how many times would spray and pray happen?
If the city were to nix all promotions from the last two exams, sgts. and lts, do you think this would be fair, or do you think we should stay with the old test, let it run it's course? And what is the consensus on the number we should take the test? In 2000 or so sgt, leg., went to well above 500, in 2004 leg. # was 362 Lts, use to go to about 200, maybe 220, now I doubt they get above 100.
If armed with these weapons, how many cops would lose them? Or would be left unlocked in a squadcar? Do you really trust the average cop with this kind of firepower?
Tue May 06, 12:10:00 AM
My department has had authorized-individual-purchase patrol rifles since the mid-1990's. Of 150 sworn, we've had about 130 with rifles listed on their qual slips ever since the beginning. And we've NEVER had a weapon unaccounted-for. Or, of the 196 rounds rifle duty ammunition issued to each officer, again, we've never had a round unaccounted-for.
If you don't trust your cops with guns, you don't need fewer guns. You need new cops. Or at least new trainers. Although letting incompetent clout morons be instructors seems to be the CPD way.
How about the return of the shotgun? They are much better up close and you don't have excessive long range to worry about.
If you don't trust your cops with guns, you don't need fewer guns. You need new cops. Or at least new trainers. Although letting incompetent clout morons be instructors seems to be the CPD way.
Thu May 08, 02:09:00 AM
I couldnt have said it better,BRAVO!!
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Aurora has had 9mm rifles for years, replaced the shot guns
Mon May 05, 11:34:00 PM
Yes,but its still a pistol round.If your going to a rifle/carbine make it a centerfire rifle cartridge.Pistol rounds do not penetrate soft body armor like that used in the North Hollywood caper.
Go to http://www.cpdmemorial.org/
You can view a video from the run to remember and St. Jude last weekend.
A 9mm rifle isn't really all that great a weapon. If I am going to carry a rifle, why would I need it in a pistol caliber? The rifle should be greater firepower, not an elongated version of what I already have in the holster.
How about the return of the shotgun? They are much better up close and you don't have excessive long range to worry about.
We played with that here. Buckshot has an effective limit of about 25 yards. At that distance, your nine pellets are spread around a circle maybe two feet across. Not precise at all, and they're also running out of steam. You have to remember, ballistically, a 00 buckshot pellet is a badly-shaped .32 bullet.
Slugs are better, out to 50-100 yards possibly. However, they have the same risk of flying too far as a 5.56 rifle bullet. Not only that, but my department tested this: a good jacketed hollow-point 5.56 round will not penetrate nearly as far through common housing materials as a 12ga slug or (no shit!) a 9mm bullet.
The following comment was inadvertantly deleted and this is the only I could save the comments.
anonymous said......
Why not the shotgun? Is it because those who are ... Why not the shotgun? Is it because those who are too weak can't shoot it? Oh, it kicks too hard. Wah, wah
Wed May 14, 7:48:00
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